The Metro here in Boston had it right – first it was the Patriots. Then the Red Sox. Then the Celtics. Now the Bruins have arrived. Riding another stellar performance by Tim Thomas, the Bruins beat the Canucks 4-0 last night, bringing the Stanley Cup back to Boston for the first time in 39 years. Captain Patrice Bergeron scored a crucial first goal, undoubtedly shaking Canucks goalie Robert Luongo. The rest, as they say, is history.
The resulting scene in Boston could best be described as mayhem. I arrived down by the Garden two hours before the puck dropped, and was literally turned away from just about every bar in the North End and Faneuil Hall. When the Bruins scored an empty net goal to go up 4-0 in the final period, the march to the Garden was on, mob style. Hundreds of police lined the streets, donning full body armor and primarily wielding sticks resembling two by fours. They could do little to stop the hundreds of fans who climbed MBTA vestibules and lit off fireworks, and mosh pits broke out everywhere. Chants of “We won the Cup” and particularly “U-S-A” rang through the night, with just a few “Yankees Suck” chants thrown in for good measure (I told you, this is a baseball town). When I left the scene around 1:00am, the ruckus was still going strong. I’ve got to give it to the BPD though – they were not a friendly crew last night but somehow there were no deaths or major happenings.
You’ve got to feel good for this team, and what a way to go out for 43 year old veteran Mark Recchi. But more than anything, what a victory for the city of Boston. This win said to everybody, “Hey, we’ve got a hockey team here too.”
I’ve argued this before, but this win is the icing on the cake – whether you like it or not, the city of Boston has established itself as THE sports mecca of the United States this past decade. In the last 7 years Boston has won the championship in each of the 4 major sports. Go ahead and look at the last time that was done. Better yet, we’re talking 7 championships in the last decade. For as long as I live, I’m guessing that will never happen again.
Enjoy it Boston. And especially you, Bruins fans.
yankees won last night
That’s a first.
well it was a nine thousand seven hundred and eighth, but close.
Nice stat J-bone! We still one upped you – Beckett pitched a perfect game, minus an infield dribbler.
but that aint perfect
Its not perfect but I’ll take a 97 pitch complete game shut out any day, thank you very much.
U-V-M! TIMMMMMY!
He’s good.
trade him – youll never get better value
Don’t say things like this.
Catamounts Forever
Are you a UVMer?
Sure am. John Leclair era.
And your not now a homeless man living in Burlington? Incredible!
I’ll trade you before I trade that glorious ginger. But you’re probably right. I actually doubt we would get anything for him now.
You could definitely flip Thomas for some serious value. But why would you want to? He’s old as hell, and sooner or later his abilities are gonna drop, but you don’t know that it’ll happen next season. Who do the Bruins have to replace a .938 SV%?
Yup. Ride the wave.
10 years 7 major sports titles. Gotta love titletown
Like.
Congrads. Only 5 of them are tainted.
don’t care
of course you dont, you cheer for all things boston
The city of New York is tainted, probably more so than any city in the US besides maybe Vegas.
First, your arguments have been pretty immature recently whether it be oh yeah they do it to, or no your tainted
two, tainted with what talent? Success?
Three, isnt this a sports blog? new york football teams arnt running around with cameras on their necks illegally, or having hgh suspensions. and our world series mvps havnt failed multiple drug tests.
Boston is the one having the talent and success last I checked. Your “tainted” arguments are pretty immature based off your teams’ track record. Your “best” baseball player is the posterboy boy for the steroid era and your receiver who caught your Super Bowl winning touchdown just got out of jail. Give me a break.
Last I checked a rod was clean we won and if you can tell me how plex carrying a gun helped him on the football field I would love to hear it. Of those seven championships 5 of them cheated ON the field. You can stick your head in the sand when its beneficial as usual but those are the facts.
Those are in fact, not the facts. Sorry.
Fact: the three new england patriots filmed in game and walkthroughs illegally
Fact: the 2004 and 2007 red sox had illegal performance enhancing drug users on their team
What is not fact about those five championships.
Your first fact makes no sense. Your second fact has not been proven. Who failed a drug test in 2004 or 2007? You yourself have questioned the legitimacy of the Mitchell report so I hope that is not your basis. Who failed a test and was suspended?
I am assuming your talking about Manny for the Red Sox – so him testing positive for steroids in 2009 for WS Championships in 2004 and 2007 is irrelevant. Fact.
If your going to play that game Jimmy then every World Series the Yankees won with Andy Pettitte (admitted steroids user) on it is tainted. How many is that? 5? 96,98,99,00, 09?
The only superbowl walkthrough they filmed was in 2001. What does that have to do with the other 2?
No I mean Bronson Arroyo as well, Ortiz and Manny were also on the “secret” mlb list
Billy Boy admitted that the taping went back to 2000 up until he got caught in 2007, that would mean they cheated for all three championships. They have not won a super bowl since. there is also rodney harrison drug suspension as well.
For once I would love for someone on this site to argue a point against Boston without bringing up New York, this has nothing to do with New York. I said Bostons titles are tainted. You want to say that new yorks are go ahead, but atleast answer the question. Whats next Eli has a funny face?
basically it appears that many championships are tainted for various reasons. it happens in every city.
I am not saying that other teams are not tainted, but to jump around screaming title town when 70% of those titles have something fishy going on seems a little sily to me.
OK Boston is Title Tizz-own then. We’ll make the title a little fishy even.
kind of agree, but it is fully expected. and when you say the championships are tainted of course the reaction is to say that the teams in your city have tainted championships too. Kind of a “who are you to judge” kind of deal.
There isn’t much of an argument to say that a lot of these championships are tainted, some more than others. It is tough to even say where it stops
Ah, the voice of reason.
recent example: one could argue that had the canucks won last night, their championship was tainted because Aaron Rome did somthing illegal and took out Nathan Horton for the series, changing the game.
Now i would not go to that extreme.. but basically Rome took out a better player than he was for the rest of the playoffs by doing somthing the NHL says is illegal.
Saying what is and isn’t tainted is a slippery slope.
Not Manchester, New Hampshire. The best place to live in the US in 2003.
i see what your saying but that was in the game, it is not cheating. taking peds or taping someones plays is blatant cheating. Did Rome mean to knock the guy out of the series, I dont think so. He meant to knock the shit out of him.
We’ve argued both, and I think it’s strange for a larger offender to call someone out for a lesser offense.
so 100% of your football championships are tainted with the biggest cheating football has ever seen. 100% of your baseball championships are tainted, and NY is the larger offender. interesting.
I’m not agreeing with 100% of football whatsoever. And to use the argument that Yankee’s fans apply to steroids, everyone was doing it. Tons of people across the league and on ESPN came out and said that most of the teams in the NFL did the same thing, they just didn’t get caught and the rule was a bit fuzzy. And I’m still looking for a Red Sox player who was suspended for failing for something in 04 or 07?
In other words, one super bowl title aside, you’re throwing up a whole bunch of heresay J-bone.
i know your not buying that your team cheated by taping the others teams signals, who said everyone did it, extenze spokesmen Jimmy Johnson? I didnt see anyone else fined or losing draft picks.
I have never said everyone was doing it. No Yankee player has ever been proven guilty of steriods in a steriod year. same could be said about the red sox but it does not mean that those championships are tainted. and yet again this aint about new york, but continue to bring it up, the inferiority complex of beantown is amazing.
Exactly, because they weren’t caught. If you like I can come up with a list of people around the league that backed Bill up. And no, we bring it up for the reasons Kevin Youkillis mentioned. For once, the inferiority complex belongs to the fine folks of NYC. Title. Tizz-own.
yeah the giants fans were running around chanting red sox sucks after the 18-1 Pats, wait no they werent because we dont have no complex.
You’ll never understand Sox Yanks. 86 years is a long time brotha. 2011 is a beautiful year.
Didn’t look into Giants, rest assured I’ll find something ridiculous, as you have done, to taint their superbowl
We bring up NY because it’s pretty clear your pissed that even though NYC has 9 teams to Bostons 4 they can’t seem to win. Thus, you are looking for reasons to taint Boston championships. I’d be doing the same thing if Boston wasn’t title town
it think it may be impossible for you to have an answer with out new york. I really do.
I simply asked to make a answer without passing the buck, and again of the 10 sentances you wrote in your two posts seven referenced new york.
Go do some digging your not finding illegal tapes with the Giants.
oh and just our football and baseball teams have won more recently then you I am not hurting.
i no speak good english
When you hurt, I hurt.
As for arroyo he took andro which is banned but not a steroid. He also took aderall which is banned. If that taints the red sox championships so be it. However I’d be weary of claiming amphetamines taint championships as it has been a staple in the game for decades. Made famous by what teams use? Yep the squeaky clean Yanks
where those substances banned by the mlb when arroyo took them?
Again, marijuana is banned by MLB. That doesn’t mean it taints the game to me. Heck, Tim Lincecum has a prescription probably. Should we take his Cy Young away?
it is a banned substance, its illegal to use in baseball. However andro is something that increases strenght, it does not make you want funions.
Funionssssssssssss.
philly doesnt cheat. they may boo santa clause, throw batteries at players, and hire convicted felons to lead their teams.. but as far as i can tell they do not cheat.. that said i cant wait for football to start. word is they are willing to finally throw money around and going after haynesworth, plax, and Asomugha.
will that happen? of course not, andy reid and lurie like to tell us what we want to hear. but im pumped for now. and i wanna hear the local radio stop talking about lebron (they dont even talk about the phillies recently because there is not much to argue since they started hitting).. hopefully once the season begins i can give some eagles insight on here.
all this sounds like a witch hunt. when the final buzzer sounds the team with the most goals or points wins. case closed. when big z skates around the ice with cup, that means we win. nothing else matters.
Agreed.
That’d be nice.
2009- Yankees win world series. 2010- Yankees make ALCS while Boston misses playoffs.
2008- giants win superbowl over then 18-0 patriots. 2009- jets and giants make playoffs with jets going to the Afc championship game with new England being bounced early. 2010- jets knock new England out of playoff.
Nobody cares about hockey its weird all these Bs fans coming out of nowhere claiming heartache now that they win. Sounds like 2004. Will there be pink brains hats now too? I don’t go running around when the devils are winning just because they were my favorite team as a 10 year old.
There is obviously no NBA argument after the last 10 years.
Last decade, count the titles. Not to mention you have 7 teams to our 4.
Last 20 years. I can play that game too and manipulate info.
Well, my argument was the last decade. Take it for what it is – an argument about the last decade.
I just think its entertaining that a few weeks ago you are on your soap box having a temper tantrum that “these men ruined the great game of baseball, I will NOT let them get away with it”. To well we won so it doesn’t matter.
And now its “well everyone does it” and before it was that they should be banned from baseball forever. You keep bringing up weed but is that what they players failed for? Andro is the same as weed? Come on now
No the weed was an example that “failing a drug test” is not always created equal. I do think that every player who used should be banned from the game. How should they not? It’s the most blatant form of disrespect to their co-workers and their profession. It wouldn’t be tolerated for a second in other industries – why is baseball an exception? And sadly, as in any other instance like this in any industry, the people that truly suffer are the ones who played the game the right way and now have their championships called into question due to teammates that did cheat. As for the cheaters themselves, they deserve nothing and aren’t worthy of playing the game.
I never said we won so it doesn’t matter. I’m saying your argument is based on heresay.
The head coach of the new england patriots illegally used film in every year the patriots won a super bowl that is a fact and I have a really hard time seeing how that can be argued against.
And they were given a penalty that the league thought fit the crime. Several people from around the league met with Goodell regarding the issue, and they didn’t strip the Patriots of their titles. Which they certainly could have done if they wanted to, but it was never really even discussed. So basically they went through the procedures and regulations of the league in which they play in and still won three super bowls. If it was anything bigger than that, it would have been made a bigger deal.
yes and the mlb has not gone back and taken wins off the books for players that have admitted using steroids so I guess no harm no foul there either.
I think there’s a huge difference. The steroids scandal is something that tainted baseball over a 20 year period, and something that has drawn a huge amount of criticism for being vastly mis-handled by MLB. Simply put, other sports put the necessary regulations in place – baseball did not. The whole Spygate thing has not drawn even close to the amount of criticism, and is a much more isolated incident where punishment was handed down immediately from the NFL. MLB has yet to do that, which is pathetic.
Also, to further back my point, it would be much easier to take wins away from an entire team that was benefiting from illegally taping than it would be from a team that had a few steroid users. Yet they haven’t done so. Why do you think that might be? Please, share your conspiracy theory with me.
Geoff you used to have valid arguments. I think you need to get out of Boston for a little. Now its ok to cheat since he was penalized for it later on? How does that make it any more legitimate. Steroids are blatantly cheating and those people should be kicked out forever but the video taping is a different kind of cheating and we can absolve that? Cheating is cheating and destroys the game you can’t have two sets of rules; one that new england plays by and one for everyone else.
No it’s not about a different set of rules for anybody – it’s about how the situations were handled. You’ve chosen to live in a society that believes in a correctional system. Flat out, Goodell handled the situation by immediately issuing a penalty that he thought fit the crime. Bud Selig basically swept a much larger scandle under the rug and failed to address it. That, in my book, is a major problem. Which is my point.
so because the patriots are the only team that cheated its not as bad as baseball because it was so widespread, and they got their punishment is your reasoning behind why the patriots were not cheaters?
I’m not saying they didn’t illegally tape whatsoever. They did. I’m saying the situation was handled in a way that most everybody has deemed appropriate, whereas it has not been handled to any extent in baseball.
great that is your point, it has nothing to do with the argument.
My point is pizza tastes good. therefor patriots are not cheaters.
I think its very telling that one situation was handled and is no longer a big fuss, whereas the other situation has not been addressed yet remains one of the biggest issues in the history of American sports.
And it’s very clear that both issues, illegal taping and steroids, were very widespread as I said yesterday. I think one issue has gone away because it was dealt with in a manner almost everyone deemed fair. The other issue was basically not even dealt with, which is why it continues to be an issue to this day.
Have any individual player stats been stripped from steroid users? No. So your point is invalid.
And I’m saying they should be. I’m saying major league baseball has failed it’s fans to an epic degree.
So no players got stats taken away. according to you since the pats didn’t get their titlea taken away it is ok. Under this rational, the players didn’t get their stats taken away so the punishment they received is fair and therefore their stats are legitimate and should not be vacated, because the pats wins should not be vacated even though they cheated
No, that’s %100 you drawing your own conclusions. The fact of the matter is the Patriots did not get titles revoked, but did get punished, and everybody for the most part seems OK with that. The players in baseball similarly haven’t had their stats taken away, but they were never punished at all, which is why it’s a problem to this day.
great, thats not the argument.
It may not be the argument, but I’m going to defend the words you put in my mouth and clarify my points when you misconstrue them. Bottom line both offenses were wrong. They occurred in very different circumstances, were of differing severity, and were handled very differently. All of which should be drawn to attention when you guys are trying to make this apples to apples and it’s not, even though both were in fact wrong (as I’ve said over and over).
Exatcly jimmy. we can argue if we think baseball has done enough, which I’m sure is one argument the three of us will actually agree on. but we have once again gone off topic. New England cheated for every single superbowl victory. FACT.
Once again though, not necessarily fact and you are missing the finer details. If you were on trial you’d want the details known. The only FACT as you put it, is that taping occurred from 2000-2007. That doesn’t mean every game, that doesn’t mean the super bowl. So sure, it helped them get to the bowls. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t win the games on their own. You don’t know one way or the other if they did, so I’d lay of the FACT.
I belied we are arguing your notion that they are of different severity. Who decides that? Why is that your call to make? One cheated to win multiple titles which had completely tainted the sport. One cheated to get better stats and completely tainted the sport.
It’s not my call whatsoever – I’m going on the reactions of fans and people around the league.
Ok. FACT. BONDS NEVER DID STEROIDS. He is the best home run hitter ever.
No, that’s not a FACT either. You cannot prove to me that he never did them. A fact is something that has been proven. You show me a lifetime of clean tests for Bonds, then it’s a fact he didn’t use. You show me a failed test? It’s a fact he did. Same with the Pats. Show me the tapes from all 3 super bowls, and it’s a fact that they taped all three. Until then, it’s just heresay, not FACT.
And heresay is fine, I obviously think Bonds took roids, but lets call it what it is.
you said my argument were heresay like an hour ago and now you are saying the pats were wrong. You are saying that Pats cheated, that would be what I call tainted championships, thats been what I have been saying for two days now.
Specific points of your argument are heresay. Did the Pats tape some games between 2000 and 2007 – sure did. Was that wrong? Sure was. Did they tape the super bowls and know what play was coming every time (as you’ve said before)? That’s totally heresay.
Not to mention, if they did know what was coming everytime, the games would not have been remotely close.
they snuck into the stadium and filmed the rams walk through before that first super bowl so thats one. no i dont know that they did not do anything in the other ones. To me it seems why would the cheat throughout the season and then in the biggest game of the year not do it.
the is the dumbest argument, well you cant prove it so ladeda. Tom Bradys been injecting his ass with steriods since he was six prove me wrong.
I can’t. I can’t call that a fact. It’s heresay, brotha. I have no idea but I’d guess it’s a lot harder to tape a super bowl walkthrough with more security, etc. Belichick very may well work for the CIA though.
My argument is let’s not call things FACT just because we think they are true. I want undeniable evidence, which in a lot of these scenarios we toss around just isn’t there.
Your double standard is bordering on the insane. I will no longer be a part of this argument. Good day sir.
My double standard is 2 + 2 is a fact. Adrian Gonzalez has 14 home runs is a fact. Adrian Gonzalez is good or is a steroid user is not a fact – it’s an opinion. And “my double standard” has nothing to do with me – I’m highlighting how these events were perceived. Who is still yelling about spygate? Not me. Not anyone really.
they have shown video of the walkthrough they illegally taped before the superbowl on tv, fox pregame showed it after the pats got caught so that is a fact. and no he is not with the cia, he is just a cheater.
Haha I know it is fact with regards to that super bowl, which I have never denied.
You all like to jump down my throat but when you get to the crux of the argument and what is in fact true and proven and all that, you’re never getting any argument from me.
you have jumped so many places I dont think you remember what the crux of the argument was. The Patriots and Red Sox have tainted championships in the great run for Boston. Whether they are tainted by facts, the patriots are; or logical conclusions, the red sox are should not make a difference. the fact that we are having this argument means that the titles has some sort of taint.
Lol taint
Logical conclusions can throw your Yanks under the bus as well, so let’s avoid the logical conclusions route and stick with facts.
Once again when there is no answer it is resorted to bringing up the Yankees. The argument is the 7 Boston titles and their taintiness.
Yes, the word is hypocritical that’s why.
its just classic inferiority complex behavior to point to someone elses behavior when faults are pointed out.
Is classically hypocritical to taint the Red Sox when the Yankees have had a roster filled with cheaters.
Yeah i know you feel that way, I am still waiting on your hard hitting blog article that proves all these yankees that youve been talking about for half a month now.
And I’m still waiting for a single Red Sox player to have tested positive for steroids. So…..
For the 1000th time, it’s heresay versus heresay. You think it’s probable Manny and Ortiz used steroids while on the Red Sox. I think it’s probable that A-Rod, Petite, Clemens, Giambi, etc did.
look three posts above, your brought this up.
You are currently having an argument with yourself.
The point is one super bowl aside, you’ve got little evidence to back the claims you are making. And it certainly is not fact.
And if I used a similar process, I could draw all kinds of conclusions as well hombre.
good god. No i do not have the video of the 2 other super bowls. The head coach of your favorite football team admitted he cheated from 2000-2007. It does not matter that i have no “proof” that this took place in the actual super bowl, he said he cheated for 7 years. If a player injects himself with steriods on the first day of the season and that team wins the world series, that title is tainted. get the off your high proof horse. My proof lies in the head coach who said he did it. Your credibility is almost zero at this point.
As is yours, for continously citing circumstances as facts that are not, in fact, facts. I acknowledged from the start wrongdoing on behalf of the Patriots with the taping, so you telling me that the coach admitted it seems silly. He did, as I’ve acknowledged several times. Other than that, you’ve made more specific arguments which you’ve failed to back whatsoever. Before you question my credibility I’d suggest you come up with a circumstance in this argument where whatever I said is both %100 proveable and is false. That would, at the end of the day, be the definition of credibility now wouldn’t it?
I am not even sure what the hell you are talking about. If the coach saying he did it does not count as a fact to you there is no hope. You keep saying well you got one what about the other two, one super bowl aside blah blah blah. “My facts that are not facts” according to you come from the coach saying he did it. I have not mentioned the red sox as facts all day. And you seem to agree that pats cheated for seven years, yet for some reason keep asking about the other two super bowls? what do you want me to back up with facts that I have not about the patriots, I have said those 3 are tainted with facts, the red sox 2 with logical conclusions, if you dont want to count logical conclusions fine, but what more do you want out of the pats.
Suspensions dont occur?
They do now. The Patriots punishment was passed down after the fact. That never occurred in baseball.
this is silly..
if the patriots illegally filmed even one game each season from 00-07, the season is tainted and thus the superbowls are tainted. Bellicheck admitted he did it from 00-07 so those seasons and hence the superbowls are tainted. It does not matter if he filmed for the first or last game one bit just as it does not matter if a baseball player went on a cycle of roids then stopped and was clean in the world series.
let’s not forget one of those tainted superbowls came against the philadelphia eagles.. also the giants are not a good football team anymore, which i find hilarious.
As do I…they are lousy in fact.
oh are they in fact, prove it.
Or answer any of the bs you were spewing about the pats last week.
thank you voice of reason.